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They were very impressed by what they saw, but they were not happy with the attitude of contestation to the Holy See, so they were, as you would understand, with American Catholics, they didnвЂ™t want anything which sounded like they were opposing the Holy Father.

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I mean, legitimate in the sense of the full sense of the term. Hugh Barbour: Our seminarians went and experienced what they had there.

Hugh Barbour: In terms of my own community, which is the Norbertine Fathers of Saint MichaelвЂ™s Abbey in Orange, our founding abbot, Abbot Ladislaus, who was very concerned about the formation of the priests of the community, and he wanted to send them abroad, because he didnвЂ™t think there was anything in the States that would be sound, and he considered Rome, but before he considered Rome, he went to Fribourg, and visited a bishop there, and Lefebvre, and all that. I think if you go back and read some of the firsthand testimonies of seminarians coming to this retired archbishop in the late 1960s, it would give some valuable historical perspective as to what would have led even to the idea of founding an international seminary at the time dedicated to a more traditional or classical priestly formation.

This comes in the context of not just the Society wanting a certain type of formation, but also a general kind of tumult in formation. You may not know this, but in the period after, since the Vatican Council, we have actually had some problems in the Catholic Church with the formation of priests. All of these other controversies, which are real, come as a result of disputes that arise primarily in the 1970s because of what Archbishop Lefebvre was trying to do in his international seminary.Д¬y Kellett: All right. ThatвЂ™s interesting because I think your listeners probably know the Society for things which they oppose, such as certain aspects of the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council whereas, if you read the statutes of the Society of Saint Pius X when they were canonically erected by the Church, itвЂ™s entirely focused on priestly formation. This led to the discussion of an institute that would focus on the formation of priests. I think Fribourg in Switzerland was one of the places where he was sending men for formation, and for a lot of reasons it wasnвЂ™t working out. At the time, he tried to find existing programs. This eventually led to the creation of a religious congregation called the Society of Saint Pius X.Д¬y Kellett: About what year are these men asking? Jim Vogel: Having had experience in that field, Archbishop Lefebvre tried to organizeвЂ¦ What would you say? A formation that would be recognizable to someone who had gone to a Catholic seminary prior to the Second Vatican Council. Then, he was subsequently elected superior general of the Holy Ghost Fathers, the Spiritans, and retired in the late 1960s after many decades of service to the Catholic church, and in a way was forced out of retirement, providentially, one might say, by some seminarians who had come to him asking for a formation that wouldвЂ™ve been something similar to what they wouldвЂ™ve found before the Second Vatican Council. I do think itвЂ™s important to start with some historical perspective, because I donвЂ™t know that you can understand any of the current events surrounding the society without knowing where they came from, and that means, in a way, starting with their founder, a French archbishop named Marcel Lefebvre, who before the Second Vatican Council, before there was such a thing as the Society of Saint Pius X, was an archbishop in primarily French-speaking Africa, where at one point, he was the apostolic delegate of Pope Pius XII.

Maybe you could tell us about the Saint Pius X Society.

I want to start with the basic question that you probably get a lot: What is wrong with you people? Oh, wait. Okay, so the Saint Pius X Society, there will be many among our listeners, I imagine, who are not even familiar with the society. Yeah, well you help me with that all the time, Father. Did you know thatвЂ™s your role?Д¬y Kellett: And my wife. Cy Kellett: Our other guest is Father Hugh Barbour, our chaplain, here to make sure that I remain charitable to Jim.

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